Comments on: The Revenge of Killer Mutant Notifications.. http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/ um, what do I write here? Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:17:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tuomas http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Tuomas Fri, 24 Sep 2004 04:37:56 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-89 Yeah, I know the moving labels are a problem - for example the longhorn spec stresses very strongly that it shouldnt happen and I agree. Any good ideas how to solve the issue without making the layout backwards with the title on bottom? :) It is not that these are supposed to be perfect. This probably is more or less equivalent to thinking aloud while I try to get ideas how these things should work. Not all of the ideas are exactly great :-) But I hope they evolve to something useful. Thanks for everybody for the good suggestions! Yeah, I know the moving labels are a problem – for example the longhorn spec stresses very strongly that it shouldnt happen and I agree. Any good ideas how to solve the issue without making the layout backwards with the title on bottom? :)

It is not that these are supposed to be perfect. This probably is more or less equivalent to thinking aloud while I try to get ideas how these things should work. Not all of the ideas are exactly great :-) But I hope they evolve to something useful.

Thanks for everybody for the good suggestions!

]]> By: Robert B. Lay http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-88 Robert B. Lay Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:05 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-88 Tuomas, your ideas for the Notifications the last few posts have been great! I would love to see these examples present in future versions of GNOME. This is something that I've wanted for a long time. Your thoughts on the problem of "internet distraction" are right on! I agree with Karsten's comments, but would further like to have the freedom to customize the notifications, i.e.: font type/size, icons, color/background/transparency, window sizing/placement, appearance time, etc. This would enable myself (and others) to customize the reduction of "distraction." Maybe this is too much? Just my thoughts for the conversation. Thanks. Tuomas, your ideas for the Notifications the last few posts have been great!
I would love to see these examples present in future versions of GNOME. This is something that I’ve wanted for a long time. Your thoughts on the problem of “internet distraction” are right on! I agree with Karsten’s comments, but would further like to have the freedom to customize the notifications, i.e.: font type/size, icons, color/background/transparency, window sizing/placement, appearance time, etc. This would enable myself (and others) to customize the reduction of “distraction.” Maybe this is too much? Just my thoughts for the conversation. Thanks.

]]> By: Justin http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Justin Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:55:14 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-87 whatever you do, don't make it work like that example :-) I've seen a ton of morphing windows like that, where as soon as you go to click something, the window morphs and the widget you were trying to click moves. then you try and re-aim and the window morphs back to the original, etc etc. If you made it grow around the original notification, so the existing widgets don't move, that would be better :-) whatever you do, don’t make it work like that example :-)

I’ve seen a ton of morphing windows like that, where as soon as you go to click something, the window morphs and the widget you were trying to click moves. then you try and re-aim and the window morphs back to the original, etc etc.

If you made it grow around the original notification, so the existing widgets don’t move, that would be better :-)

]]> By: Karsten Luetkewitz http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Karsten Luetkewitz Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:33:11 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-84 Maybe it'd be best to have 3 notification types for user visible notifications: 1. Rich content notification summary 2. Rich content notification 3. Text-only notification summary They all make sense imo, the first two for immediate user visible notifications and the last one for the "notification log", so I can easily check what happened while I was away instead of having to browse a log full of rich content summaries. Lets take a download job for example: Rich content *summary*: Download finished! Text-only summary: Download from "http://www......tar.gz" finished in 53 seconds at 137.4kb/s average, the file was saved to "/home/kl/....tar.gz" The rich content *non*-summary notification may want to present what happened in yet another way, say a folder icon instead of "saved to", a hyperlink for the target folder, a clock icon, just the file name instead of the URL.. It may sound like overkill, but this may or may not replace some of syslog's functionality. Maybe it’d be best to have 3 notification types for user visible notifications:

1. Rich content notification summary
2. Rich content notification
3. Text-only notification summary

They all make sense imo, the first two for immediate user visible notifications and the last one for the “notification log”, so I can easily check what happened while I was away instead of having to browse a log full of rich content summaries. Lets take a download job for example:

Rich content *summary*: Download finished!

Text-only summary: Download from “http://www……tar.gz” finished in 53 seconds at 137.4kb/s average, the file was saved to “/home/kl/….tar.gz”

The rich content *non*-summary notification may want to present what happened in yet another way, say a folder icon instead of “saved to”, a hyperlink for the target folder, a clock icon, just the file name instead of the URL..

It may sound like overkill, but this may or may not replace some of syslog’s functionality.

]]> By: Christian Hammond http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Christian Hammond Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:40:55 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-79 The expanding notifications in the longhorn spec is one of the things that disturbed me about their spec, but I may be in the minority here :) We could display the summary text in the notification and display the body on hover. That could end up being a UI thing, rather than in the spec. What do you think? The expanding notifications in the longhorn spec is one of the things that disturbed me about their spec, but I may be in the minority here :)

We could display the summary text in the notification and display the body on hover. That could end up being a UI thing, rather than in the spec. What do you think?

]]> By: Tuomas http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Tuomas Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:06:41 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-77 Yes, I have read the longhorn spec, it has good ideas indeed. I want to figure out practical user cases as well. What we need now is real world examples of applications which could show these - so that they are [i]useful.[/i] One thing I have been thinking about is "shortcuts" - much like web with links to other sites. The [url=http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/beagle-tiles/]previous blog entry of mine[/url] had an excellent comment that Beagle should also [i]link inside the document[/i] so that when you search, and open a result file, it would also [i]jump to the relevant place[/i] inside the document, and could even hilight the search word for you. So what could be useful is the shortcuts. You get an email, if the person is online, the notification should have a "IM" link in addition to the "reply" etc.. Yes, I have read the longhorn spec, it has good ideas indeed. I want to figure out practical user cases as well. What we need now is real world examples of applications which could show these – so that they are [i]useful.[/i]

One thing I have been thinking about is “shortcuts” – much like web with links to other sites. The [url=http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/beagle-tiles/]previous blog entry of mine[/url] had an excellent comment that Beagle should also [i]link inside the document[/i] so that when you search, and open a result file, it would also [i]jump to the relevant place[/i] inside the document, and could even hilight the search word for you.

So what could be useful is the shortcuts. You get an email, if the person is online, the notification should have a “IM” link in addition to the “reply” etc..

]]> By: david http://www.tigert.com/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/comment-page-1/#comment-75 david Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:37:42 +0000 http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2004/09/23/the-revenge-of-killer-mutant-notifications/#comment-75 I would really like this future, I think it's really nice and beautiful. I would really like this future, I think it’s really nice and beautiful.

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